Sometimes Ultralight packs just aren't what's needed. Expeditions, winter backpacking and extended trips require ultra weight-carrying and durability. These Madden packs are made for such demands. They are comparable in quality to Gregory and North Face in every way. This is a matched set that were made for a male employee of Madden and his spouse. He was around six feet, and she was about 5' 7"... The internal frames are adjustable to fit other size people. I'd sell them separately if wanted. Please examine the pictures for more details. These are in like-new condition. The fabric is Cordura. Included are accessories such as rain covers. Madden of Boulder, Colorado, the model is the "Great Pack." New prices were $300 each. Asking $250 for the two of them, or $150 each. I'll exchange contact information with serious buyers.